we have hurricane sandy to worry about. i'm not in favor of anything. but given that, i think the media should have been fair. you can't get me on that one. jim? [laughter] jon: all right. jim? >> well, i would just say this, that, for example, the way they treated mrs. obama's clothing and the clothing of the girls and stuff, they then talked about what a great deal this is, and this is abc again last night about how wonderful it is these fashion deciphers will get rich -- designers will get rich. it was exactly the kind of thing they wouldn't have done for laura bush, barbara bush or nancy reagan -- >> whoa, whoa, nancy reagan they would have done it. >> everything she does is wonderful, and it's incredibly expensive, all the better because that's just good for jobs and the economy and some fashion designer who's lifted from obscurity. that is biased, and even you, ellen, you admit it. >> well -- jon: some differences in the ways the two parties' candidates or presidents get covered. we're going to have to leave it there. jim, ellen, thank you both. >